Although we don't see Tom Cowan or The Bailey's in this discussion (both are mentioned though), this actually is a very good discussion.
I had never heard of Alec Zeck or Ben Tapper prior to this (although it turns out I had seen one video of Ben Tapper a few years back, the one which airs on this episode). Both are phenomenal additions to the 'no proof of virus' movement.

One thing which frustrates me only a teeny bit at the end is that Del leaves off saying something along the lines of "what does it matter, as long as we're all on the same page / fighting the same fight".
It matters to me because, even though I'm not convinced myself that Contagion isn't real to some extent, I am convinced that viruses are not real. And to me, the ultimate gold standard test should be considering what is the most important attribute of any situation.
People love to spout the quote "if you value security over freedom, then you will have (or deserve) neither".
I like to take it one step further and for those with a religious perspective / those who believe in God, I'd like to put it a way that should resonate well too.

What is more important, Money or God? God.
What is more important, Security or God? God right?
Pleasure or God? God.
What is more important, Freedom or God? It's still God. People may have to think long and hard about it but God will always win this battle of priorities for those who have true faith in God.
But what happens when you ask what is more important, Truth or God? Because as close as possible to human perception can come, they appear to me to be one in the same. So, I like to factually state that
"Those who value Freedom over Truth, will be lied to, to make them believe they are Free".

The very core foundations of our existence and with that, our society and the rules and regulations that Governments use to control us is based on what we consider to be Truth. So, to me, the truth is always the priority and that's why it matters to me.

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