What are the signs of fatal depression?
- Excluding yourself from life.
- Laying in a darkened room all day.
- Negative thoughts constantly.
- No joy, just anhedonia.
- Seeing no way out, forever.
- It hurts so much that the only good time of the day is when you are unconscious, asleep.
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If you believe you are suffering from serious depression, then Quora is one place where you can check what others have to say. It will let you know you are not alone with this affliction.
The aim, of course, is to overcome your debilitating despair, lack of purpose, lack of direction. It is to overcome the feeling that everything is pointless, signifying that life has no real meaning for you. The aim is to regain the capacity to get some joy out of life and to enjoy your own company. If you can do that then indeed, you are a lucky person.
The terrible truth is that depression can be fatal. Suicide is a rational solution to a problem if the depressed person finds life unbearable and sees no other way out. Thus we have the concept of rational suicide. That is when one forecasts that life will be unbearable for the rest of his or her natural term, be it fourscore years or thereabouts according to life expectancy data. Life is inevitably going to end with death anyway. So, the "logic" goes, why wait so long to die? Why not get it over and done with?
Suicidal ideation is extremely dangerous. That is because over time, the thought of death can become a comfort - like the thought of going to bed and having a good sleep when you are tired. Sleep has been associated with death, as in for ecample, the expression la petite mort.
I'm not saying this lightly, having spent many years trying to understand suicide. My 19-year old son died in November 2006 by what a consulting forensic psychologist assessed as a rational suicide. That is another story for another day. Maybe a book. The professional psychologist counseling our shell-shocked family, after reviewing the suicide note and debriefing us all individually in the aftermath, advised that only about 5% of suicides in the 15 - 21 age group are in this category.
It is said that the frontal lobes of the brain are not fully mature untill about the age of 22. That is why important life-changing decisions - that could be a matter of life and death - such as gender transition -should be delayed until the frontal lobe is fully mature and can calculate all the rammifications & repurcussions of ideas thown up by the right & left hemispheres. By the time the frontal lobes are fully mature, then, more likely than not, the gender dysphoria would have dissipated as if it were a self-limiting condition.
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Now we are hearing a lot about gender dysphoria these days, compared to past times when same-sex marriage was simply unthinkable.
Legislation has been implemented in Victoria, Australia, forcing parents to affirm gender dysphoria in any of their children, or face a possible jail sentence if they try to counsel or persuade them to accept and live with their unacceptable biological gender.
This compulsory affirmation paves the way for medical intervention to reverse the child or adolescent's biological gender, and convert it into a physical simulation of the opposite binary gender.
Let us conceptualize - using postmodern critical theory. Just as there can be such a thing as gender dysphoria, then, ipso facto, there can be such a thing as life dysphoria.
Life dysphoria has not - as yet - appeared in the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. One day soon, I predict, we’ll see it there: life dysphoria listed as a psychiatric disorder, along with gender dysphoria.
What are the symptoms of life dysphoria?
The symptoms are pervasive cognitive depression combined with suicidal ideation.
The End of Life Choice Act 2019 is an Act of Parliament in New Zealand that seeks to give people with a terminal illness the option of receiving Assisted Suicide. The Ministry of Justice and Ministry of Health confirmed that, "The Bill uses assisted dying to refer to both euthanasia and assisted suicide”
To develop the argument further:-
The cure for gender dysphoria is a medically assisted transition from one gender to the opposite binary gender.
The cure for life dysphoria will be a medically assisted transition from life to it’s binary opposite. That is, the transition from life to death. That’s because life dysphoria will be diagnosed as a terminal illness, governed by legislation such as the New Zealand End of Life Choice Act 2019.
a song about suicidal ideation, on YouTube.
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And so . . . .to to continue with the Quora discussion: What are the signs of fatal depression?
Luna wrote:
- You stop taking care of yourself.
- You don't really eat much, you don't want to. even when you're hungry.
- Constant emotional pain, sudden crying, suicidal thoughts, you stop seeing the point,
- You isolate yourself
Machine Gum Kelly wrote:
Yes this used to be me. It was fatal but I lived. From the other side, I had to tear down everything I knew and humble myself to the process of recovery. It was fucking brutal. But I've never, ever felt stronger or more in control. Maybe it's dissociation or maybe it's my bipolar diagnosis and new med cocktail. But I'm doing well under insane pressure. I never thought I'd be this happy. I just never thought. I died and came back. Don't die. It is traumatic. For everyone, you included.
Depression doesn't have to be fatal. Fight it fight it. Get angry. Hold that anger. Fight back. Claw your way out of the hole. Ask for help. Had I done all these things I don't believe I would've fuckin' autopiloted my demise. I would have gotten better. Not a rock bottom below a rock bottom. I regret what I did. I've changed my life in a short amount of time.
Start very small. Take a shower. Work up to a full morning routine. Work up to a walk. Work up to texting close friends and phone calls. Work up to making friends in the rock-bottom Club. I know it sounds cheesy of but 2 months ago I died and caught a Lyft home. I had no one locally. 2 months later, I'm doing so well I cannot believe it. I'm in love on a new level and happy, have a group of friends from the crazy house, and getting back into everything I was into. It took a lot of fucking work and asking for legit help and following through.
Do the corny shit. Do things that feel cheesy. Chances are, they only feel that way from down in the hole. Also in the hole, to change you need to do 180 of what feels natural. Obviously that shit wasn't working for me prior. So I played opposites until I started feeling better. That's just me tho.
Sandra Kennedy wrote:
I hope you are doing better now, Luna. God bless you.
Ftay wrote:
This sounds like the state I am in currently and been in for the past 3 years.
Leean ta wrote:
I'm so sorry to hear this, but relieved to know I'm not alone. It's the worst thing ever when it's mental. My prayers are with you. I only wish I had the answers to make it all go away,
Christianne Majewski wrote:
I agree with the author above about finding faith in Jesus. . . Gosh Ray this is soooo sad. I really hope you get the help you need. This is a horrible way to deal with life. . . I don't know what's wrong but I'm praying for you that you get out of the depression phase . . . .
Ray wrote:
Thank you Sandy. You have your ok days and then there are the bad days. . . .
Jacob Grady wrote:
What is more fatal, depression or cancer?
Muhammad Athaullah wrote:
At this rate. . . Depression. There has been a significant rise in cancer survival rates from the past 20 or so years. Meanwhile very little has changed in the depression department. In fact, it's actually becoming more and more prevalent. . . .
Former Fresher wrote:
What caused fatal depression to Michele Singh?
There is no particular reason to get depression. It is a mental illness and any one can be its prey. For a few, heartbreak. For a few, financial issues and I think Ms Singh was suffering with her carrier issues (fame) . . . (more)
Dexter Haven wrote:
Why is it those who go into the arts or appear happily on stage, singing and dancing to entertain us, make us laugh, enthrall or engage us, that underneath their act they are supremely or fatally depressed?
B.A. Journalism. from Ryerson University wrote:
Thanks for the question GM. I am reminded of anecdotes about the late Robin Williams. He was painfully shy and reclusive before he performed. But came alive in front of an audience. In fact he would say that performing was for him. 1 (more)
Alice C wrote:
How does depression kill people?
Editor: since Quora has gone and sent this out in a digest, I should remind people that this answer is not about "How do I help someone with depression?", "What are the causes of depression?", "What disorders are similar to depression. . . (more)
Ray Schilling wrote:
How much harm can chronic negative emotions such as depression, anxiety, and persistent stress and frustration, cause to one's physical health? Can they cause fatal illnesses?
Former Boolc"Medical Questions Answered", Amazon 2018 wrote
1. Yes, chronic stress can cause a number of diseases. But it may be difficult to prove a direct relationship to stress. Diseases like stomach ulcers, high blood pressure or irritable bowel syndrome come to mind. 2. With regard to. . . (more)
Eskild Rasmussen wrote:
Is depression the worst illness of the 21st century?
Annon wrote:
No, depression is not the worst illness of the 21st century - stupidity is. That's because 90% of the so-called depressions in contemporary times can be cured with something as simple as physical exercises - according to Danish researcher . . . . (more)
Sanyam Arora wrote:
Depression is fatal. The death of Sushant Singh Rajput is a tragedy. What are the reasons people do not reach out for help instead of suffering deep inside?
Experienced life too closely:
People do not reach out for help and keep suffering deep inside because :- Note - sensitive content ahead. Read only if your mind is ready to view the sensitive images. 1. The person suffering from depression thinks, that his or her . . . (more)
Byron wrote:
Why do I often have an overwhelming urge to perform fatal actions even though I'm not depressed?
Former and Present Historian and author wrote:
From what I know of myself and my past I would say that you hate yourself or believe you are not the person you should be and you try to cover those feelins up as much as possible, keeping the truth about your feelings away from others . . .
Annon wrote:
If a person swallowed 44 pills 30mg Roxicodone and drank some alcohol, will that person suffer fatal respiratory depression and die?
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How can a person cope with life if they have a treatment resistant (depression) or fatal illness (cancer)?
Kiki Walker Kid
This is a question I have often pondered and am pondering today coincidently since I am having a recurrence of depression. I have bipolar disorder, so my bouts with it can be particularly nasty. I spent 14 years of my life misdiagnosed (more)
Mike E. King
Deadliness being a common way to rate the danger of an illness, what is the fatality rate of depression and other mental illnesses?
psychotherapist semi retired
Mortality rate is one way to determine how serious and illness is. The rate for suicides is one measure for determining the seriousness of depression. Mortality rates are the number of suicides per 100,000 population for a given yea (more)
DNT
Dear Mel, Depression is a killer. Those intrigued by the actual numbers and morbid statistics need only Google "quiet suicides". You've used the term "deadliness", when, in reality, there are myriad actions that the severely depressed . . . (more)
Barbara Hasslacher • Oct 26, 2022
"It is estimated that 14.3% of deaths worldwide, or approximately 8 million deaths each year, are attributable to mental disorders." (2015)
Maria Pugliese
Are women who are experiencing postpartum depression a threat to their other children and may kill them?
M.D.Medical Doctor and Psychiatrist for 45 years now retired
No. It is the opposite. They are much more likely to kill themselves rather than harm anyone else. This is because they feel tremendous guilt and shame. They are very depressed not angry and murderous. It is rare that a... (more)
Anon
When does depression become fatal? What are the signs?
It is different for each individual. It becomes fatal once the individual takes their life. You can Google the signs of depression. . . (more)
Chris Rodriguez
Has suicide become a thing? Has depression become just another potentially fatal illness we all have to accept?
Lucy Costa
Suicide has always been "a thing." There are many instances of suicide in literature (see A BRIEF HISTORY OF SUICIDE) which suggests that suicide is not new. Awareness of suicide is newer.
Unanswered questions:
- Do people who are very depressed ever develop ideas that they have cancer or other fatal diseases even though not diagnosable medically sick?
- Is the feeling 'nobody would understand me and my dream, which hardly can maintain realistic barrier' can have fatal impact on any depressed mind?
- How can I overcome acute depression seeing my son with a fatal disease all the time?
- How did covid-19 show us how depression can be just as infectious (fatalism versus optimism)?
- What has led Curt Cobain to depression that ended fatally?
- Will we still be having a recession/depression/stagflation in 2022-2023 if COVID-19 was 10 times more fatal?
- Can I talk to a psychologist for free? I haven't felt ok for a while and it's bothering me. Not getting the help I need might be fatal. It seems like no one cares enough to help because "it's just depression".
- Why do people remain homeless? Is homelessness caused by mental illness, or is mental illness (depression & anxiety) caused by homelessness?
- What is the best thing somebody ever said to you during a time when you were depressed?
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Speculation about the link between eugenics (euthanasia bills) and transhumanism
Whatever, evolution of human societies happens, and it is possibly organic as opposed to engineered by some hidden elite.
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https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18qZDcohP1/?mibextid=wwXIfrThe bar for assisted suicide is being lowered with every generation . . .
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Twitter: Collin Rugg
> JUST IN: 29-year-old Dutch woman who is perfectly healthy has been granted to k*ll herself by assisted su*cide. Insane. Zoraya ter Beek will soon be dead after officials in the Netherlands granted her request to take her own life. Ter Beek has been wanting to take her own life… pic.twitter.com/gLLwVFMDOM [https://t.co/gLLwVFMDOM] — Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) May 17, 2024 [https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1791520417150308664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]
TwitterIS BEING DEAD BETTER THAN BEING UNDEAD AND DEPRESSED?
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Academy of IdeasIS THE INEVITIBILITY OF DEATH SOMETHING TO BE SAD ABOUT?
'One thing that hasn't changed is Mrs Potts's keen sense of humour. When asked what it felt like reaching the extraordinary milestone, she replied "much like 104".
What is "a sense of humour"?
I wonder whether there have been any studies done into the nature of a sense of humour and the correlation with a sense of health and wellbeing?
Conversely, I wonder whether there have been any studies done that attempt to correlate the lack of a sense of humour with mental depression or mental illness?
I remember as a child my mother giving me a bunch of Reader's Digest mags to read if in bed with the 'flu and missing school. My favourite section was headed HUMOUR IS THE BEST MEDICINE.
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MORE OF US ARE BRINGING UP THE TON
In the past 50 years, average life expectancy has increased markedly
STEPHEN LUNN - REMY VARGA
The Australian, Tuesday, July 11, 2023
More Australians are making it into old age and even hitting the century mark, but any idea that humans will live well into the three figures remains in the realm of science fiction - for the present at least.
In the past 50 years, average life expectancy for men in Australia has increased by almost 14 years to 81.3 and by 11.2 years for women to 85.4, but the maximum age of death has shown little change across the decades, an Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report finds.
The AIHW report notes that in the past two decades alone, life expectancy in Australia has been increasing at a rate of three months a year.
And those dying beyond the age of 100 has grown from 83 in 1964 (one in 1214 deaths) to 2247 in 2021 (one in 72 deaths).
Hitting the so-called supercentenarian age of no remains an extremely rare event, both here and internationally, it has found, with just two such deaths in Australia in the decade beginning 1964 and 31 in the past decade, suggesting there is a biological limit to the human lifespan.
"We know average life expectancy keeps on increasing, but what is interesting is that the maximum age people live to isn't changing nearly as much," AIHW spokesman Richard Juckes said.
"The oldest living person in Australia was female and believed to have died at age 114 in 2002. In comparison, the oldest living Australian male died at 111 years in 2021," Mr Juckes said.
The AIHW report - "How long can Australians live?" - notes the average age of the 10 most elderly deaths in the '6os ranged from 101.6 to 104.4 years for males and 103.5 to 105.8 years for females. In the decade to 2021, the range was 104.7 to 107.3 years for males and 107.8 to 109.9 years for females.
The oldest living person globally is believed to have died at 122 years in 1997 in France.
At 105 as of last month, Pauline Potts is now in the rarefied area of being a semi- supercentenarian.
Mrs Potts said she'd been blessed with a lucky life and her younger self would not recognise the world as it existed today.
Growing up in Sydney and on the NSW central coast and now living at a Hammondcare nursing home in Newcastle, Mrs Potts said the secret to her longevity was living a normal life, "perhaps with a bit more activity during WWII," she said.
"Of course I didn't expect to still be here."
So much has changed in the course of her life, from transport to communications to the cities we live in. When she lived in Concord in Sydney's inner west, she used to catch the ferry from Cabarita into a city she says is now completely unrecognisable.
"It's altogether different from when I was a child," she said. "I wouldn't recognise it as the same world."
One thing that hasn't changed is Mrs Potts's keen sense of humour. When asked what it felt like reaching the extraordinary milestone, she replied "much like 104".
The AIHW report notes Australia's climbing life expectancy, currently 83.2, sits fifth among the 38 nations in the OECD, behind only Japan, Switzerland, South Korea and Spain. However, our birthrate recently hit its lowest on record, just 1.58 births per woman, in 2020, likely impacted by the Covid-19 pandemic.
While life expectancy is high, more than a decade of an average life will likely be spent in less than full health, according to a 2019 Global Burden of Disease Study, with the "health-adjusted life expectancy" for Australian men sitting at 69 and at 71.7 for women.
The AIHW report attributes Australia's rising life expectancy to "improved medical knowledge and technology, the widespread availability of antibiotics and vaccines, healthcare availability and access, improved living conditions and overall increasing wealth".
In the past 20 years, the reduction in young people dying in motor vehicle accidents and older people dying from heart disease have further boosted life expectancies.
But this has not been matched by a rise in maximum life span.
"(The data) suggests that mortality is being compressed into older ages and may be slowly converging towards a maximum age at death rather than a situation where maximum life span is increasing along with average life expectancy," the report notes.
"There is ongoing debate on whether there is a biological limit to the human life span."
Life expectancy has been somewhat affected by the global Covid-19 pandemic, the report notes.
Australia saw unusually low mortality in 2020 as fewer people died of the flu and comparatively few died of Covid, then higher than expected mortality in 2021 when the impact of Covid was more keenly felt.
Was point 2 & point 8 in the unanswered questions intentionally made the same?
In my opinion, depression is the result of disconnect from reality, combined with an addiction to something. To put that better, in a more Buddhist way, rather than the word addiction, we could use the word attachment.
When we are attached to the idea of needing to stay up to date with all that technology says is "news" and "modern" or "hip/cool", then we develop signs of withdrawal when we aren't getting our fix. And this creates what we call depression, particularly over time.
When we become attached to exploring the entire world and seeing every sight there is to see but are left unable to due to globalist policies or due to financial issues or due to having other responsibilities at home, this attachment/addiction that we are "missing out on" leads to depression.
When we become accustomed to / attached to eating certain foods and that way of eating is removed or inaccessible, it can lead to depression.
When we become attached to the idea of being able to have control over our childrens lives and then they face something which is out of our control, it can lead to depression.
In reality, humans live a vastly different life to what is natural. Fish live natural lives, as do birds and other wild animals. Even to the extent that there are viscous human predators, with exceptional methods of capturing, terrorising and killing those naturally living animals.
There are certainly advantages to living a human life, with a mind which is able to awe and wonder and philosophise and love, etc. However the cost is that such things as depression become possible. I don't believe depression exists in the natural/animal world. There, life is what it is and it is accepted as just life. Humans strive for and always want more, with higher expectations along with a great variety of vices.
That's my 2 cents anyway.
Thanks for your 2cents worth. I have edited points 2 and 9. It is an extremely difficult and sometimes taboo subject. So much so that A.I. bots are wary of talking about it, on the grounds that a depressed person might be asking the A.I. how they can end their lives. I will ponder your comments. I feel you are touching on an important insight that can be a contributing factor to the feeling of depression. But whatever the cause, it is suicidal ideation that is the killer, the way I see it.