Additional Sam Bailey video added in main body - discussing RFK Jr's view.

I'm only 24 mins in and can say this is an excellent interview (The only two people I would like to see in a discussion more are Bruce Lipton + Tom Cowan or Sam Bailey or Andy Kaufman to see how/where the discussion goes):

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Dr-Tom-Cowan-Pan…

Another great, quick video with Tom Cowan, excellently explaining viral disease and some of the historical pandemics:

https://t.me/moderndaysocrates/178

I have added Dr Robert Young to the list of terrain theory experts.

Whilst I haven't yet heard him talk specifically about terrain vs germ, listening to his discussion about graphene oxide (now included as a link in the story) makes me confident he's on the same page.

Laolen, I don't know if you're aware but there is a private message function on this site.

I sent you a pm a few days ago.

Come now, Agent 565, am I supposed to obediently kowtow to your ideology just because you spit the dummy, take your bat and ball and run home to B'nai B'rith, the "Anti Defamation League" or whatever.

On the scientism level, why should I think that a single wave of light can photograph an electron any more than a Hadron Collider can reveal a "God Particle" or that ephemeral "gravity waves" can detect a collision of non-existent Black Holes?

Geoff seems to think that you're a "Christian philosopher" but, going on what you proclaimed above, you're no more Christian than the Judaisers that Paul (was Saul) complained about. Perhaps you hope that I'll be so distraught at your whining condemnation that I'll go and slash my wrists.

Orrite, Geoff, let's see if you are a precious snowflake that melts into tears and tantrums when a curmudgeon (as in a grumpy old man) dares to disagree with you (or call you a drongo,etc.).

You seem to regard yourself as something of a "philosopher", or as having some tutored expertise in that regard, and in psychology as it relates to "religious" belief. I put "philosopher" in parentheses because, these days, "philosophy" is merely the proposal of ideas or ideology detached from the rules of logic. I put "religious" in parentheses because it is contemporarily assumed to be just an irrational comfort idea.

Logic is not synonymous with reason. Logic is the scientific rules to constrain reason to reality. Reason, by itself, can start from any assumed premise and proceed by faulty method to any desired conclusion. Logic requires sure and certain (commonsense) premises and a method subservient to the Law of Non Contradiction. This bod, McCloskey, has written a whole book on the science and art of logic. It's close on 300 pages bursting with tedious examples but he apparently doesn't want you to get away with the wrong idea. I haven't tried this link for years but I hope it still works:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/248825418/Patrick-W-McC…

I know about Anth-one-y Flew over the Cuckoo's nest. I bought one of his books 40 odd years ago called "A History of Western Philosophy" (it's still around here somewhere as it's not one I lent out to disappearance). I breezed through it when I got it looking for the bits that particularly interested me at the time and I quickly came to the conclusion that "this bod is not talking about philosophy, he's flogging an ideology" and I still have no intention of reading the whole blardy thing. It's reported that he secretly became a Catholic towards the end of his life.

Anyhow, Geoffy, I didn't deliberately derail the thread. I was following leads. Ultimately, anyone who can believe that Nothing is turning itself into Everything should not be surprised if Caesar ("government") presents itself as the arbiter of all that's good and true. That's what it has to do with "the covid debate".

Oldavid, you have done and said everything but call me a liar. Firstly you said that electrons can not be seen under a microscope. Here's a link https://phys.org/news/2008-02-electron.html to prove you wrong. You really need to update your understanding of Quantum Physics and stop being so petrified of something that equates to the mechanics and nature of God. I know that the "milk of the word" is comfortable, snug and safe....for cowards like you maybe, but some of us are called not to leave it behind but to proceed onwards to the deep rich spiritual meat. Oooops, your probably a vegan too. If you want the perfect Quantum Physical model for the God Head look no further than the Atom. You have the electron as the negative charged particle. It's opposite is the positively charged proton. These are opposites. Male and Female? Mother and Father? Although protons are present in the nucleus of the atom it can't come forward as the neutron until the union of the proton and electron. Study the orbits of the electron. When this union takes place the Neutron, the Son, is brought forward as the harmony and balance of the building block of the all creation. My only mistake was inadequately explain the "observer effect' of the electron. I still stand by it. At the moment I still can't locate the scientific discussion link that explains it better than I ever could. It's a piece of spiritual scientific mastery. I did make mention of the Book of Enoch a few days back. Unfortunately this book has been misused and misquoted by the New Age industry which inturn chased away the milk of the word christians. The Book is quoted by Jude, the half brother of Jesus in the NT and also quoted by Sha'ul of Tarsus in the book of Hebrews. It was once up for inclusion in the bible canon but was omitted by the church forfathers for containing too much knowlege of the angels. It's also currently included in the Ethiopian Orthodox bible cannon. Enoch tells us of the myriad of angels that keep the cosmos functioning by maintaining the orbits of the planets, by reigniting the Sun on a constant 24/7 basis, bringing forth new stars and reprimanding them for not coming forth at their proper time, and so on and so on. They are also constantly at war with the fallen angels who left their first estate by changing their molecular structure appearing as human and having sexual union with the daughters of men which resulted in the Nephilim. I will leave it at that because this is my last post on this site. I just can't risk anymore pearls before a swine. I did intend to subscribe to this site and even donate, like DONATE, but after seeing the rudeness and arrogance from posters like you I have changed my mind and brushed the dust from my feet. "As in the days of Noah."

Since you mentioned "Marxist God hater" I thought that this might be of some interest to you. Funny, though, that this narrator of a confession of a "Kike Marxist God hater" sounds awfully Kiwi; you can pick'm because they get all their vowel sounds mixed up.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9boiLqIabF…

There are many more similar stories that I can link you to if you are interested.

Correction: Go away you 5th column marxist God hater.

Go away you 5th column marxist. I am too busy. I will get back to you later.

Go for it, agent 565.

Atheistic Materialism has been desperately and relentlessly flogging the notion that life and "consciousness" are spontaneously produced out of randomly jiggling atoms and molecules. The stupid idea has to be continuously and pervasively proclaimed, implied and assumed in a monstrous brainwashing/marketing campaign because commonsense and observation (reason and evidence, philosophy and physics) of even the most unsophisticated mind can see that it's impossible.

The immaterial "thing" or "stuff" we call life must be present to order the physics and chemistry of a live organism in ways that cannot, do not, occur outside of a live organism, and that life only comes from an anterior life. Consider what's the difference between a freshly dead organism and a live one. It's not the chemistry... all the chemicals are still present in their proportions. A new life does not spontaneously emerge out of a corpse. Think of it another way. Epidemic stupidity assumes that if I put all the chemicals that make up a rabbit into a test tube and shake it and shoot it with sparks for long enough it'll turn into a rabbit. On the other hand, I am very confident indeed that if I put a perfectly good live rabbit into a test tube and gave it the treatment the rabbit would decay into the simplest and most stable form of all the elements that was a rabbit.

I'm not saying that the metaphysical thing we call life cannot have any influence or activity beyond the confines of the body it animates; that's a whole 'nother aspect, but I am saying that the chemistry does not, cannot create the metaphysics. I also contend that the brain does not create consciousness. The brain is just the physical organ that connects the physical world of sense and motor to the metaphysical mind. If the brain is deficient or damaged it just means that the connection is faulty.

That's enough for now. If I don't stop somewhere I could spend the rest of my life writing up a tome that delves into physics, philosophy and theology that no "enlightened" modernist gives a stuff about anyway.

Unfortunately I have a full day ahead of life's activities but when time permits I will dig out all links, articles and sites to refute your response. In the mean time try and stay off Quora for your scientific understanding of Quantum Physics. As for my ideology? I don't have one, but at least that's better than being a 5th column marxist.

I think this is a good addition to the collection of videos you presented above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCP480djzcw

My thoughts on Morphic Resonance are that it probably is happening and there's a possibility that its chromosome/gene related.

I can't recall every example that was discussed by Rupert Sheldrake but a few were people sensing when they are being watched, the mothers milk let down, even when not in the vicinity of their unhappy baby and the strangest one, which I'm sure would not have been shown to be much above chance level, was dog owners heading to the door/window when their owners were on the way home, even when the owners altered the usual times they came home. Of course, if this is a genuine thing, it throws my genes idea out the window.

You smug, smartarse, blardy drongo.

The "observer effect" is nothing like what you suggest. It has to do with the human propensity to interpret what you see according to what you want to see. An electron microscope can't "see" an electron. An electron is not a visible thing... it is a property or propensity that is described as being more likely evident in some "energy states" than in others but has no physical presence in what we know as space or time. That's the guts of ephemeral "quantum mechanics"... "stuff" is properties that present to us stuck in time and space which we can identify and deal with.

The admonition that "if you had Faith the size of a mustard seed" is not about you, by your power, being able to move mountains but it is about apparently insurmountable obstacles being overcome by, shall we say, Providence and good will.

"Did the disciples lose their collective memory of knowing the creative process"?? Did they ever have such an absurd notion??? Methinks Laolen565 is revealing its ideological roots.

...continued. eg.." “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” Was Jesus pissed off because his disciples had moved outside the "morphic field" of knowing the mountain was not really there in the first place?... within the parable. There is a group of pine trees around the corner from where I live. Every day I wake up and walk around the corner and I expect to see them. Are they really only there because I expect them to be there? In physics there is the "observer effect" or something like that, when studying electrons under a microscope. When the observer looks away from the electrons they seem to disassemble. The observer looks back again and they reassemble or reappear. Anyway, did the disciples lose their collective memory of knowing the creative process. The context of the scripture was the disciples lack of faith in not being able to cast out the demon of a possessed individual and Jesus having to step in and fix it. But the parable goes far beyond that. Are you still there Oldavid? Lol!!

I can roughly understand "quantum physics" as being a realm of (consistent) physical reality that does not operate according to the observable principles of "macro physics" as described by the physical "laws of thermodynamics" for example. However, there is nothing in quantum physics that I know of which could render macro physics irrelevant or inconsequential.

"Morphic resonance", on the other hand, seems to be an entirely undefined speculation that does not admit any methodological (scientific) evaluation.

I like Leni's sojourn into "morphic resonance". Not sure that I can understand it in 5 minutes but it's got a ring to it especially where it meets "quantum physics."

I do not intend to get involved in the germ vs terrain argument as I'm not qualified; both versions of the nature and cause of disease seem to have some practically verifiable aspects to them along with a good plastering with speculation. I haven't listened to all the lectures/deliveries proposed in the above story but I did get to the end of Tom Cowan's speech and it's his speculations that seem to be reflected in many of the comments subsequent; that is, the notion that thoughts and beliefs can "create and influence" the World. The inference being that reality is created and directed by "thoughts and beliefs" of a sentience that comes from nowhere (and is, presumably, an occult prerogative of certain illuminati). I contend that is irrational, absurd, self contradictory and designed to appeal to a certain kind of narcissistic autonomy.

Now then. Leni, I'm not familiar with "The Jesus Storybook Bible" particularly, but I have seen many of those publications that effectively reduce Christianity to a mushy make-believe of a similar genre as Popeye, Daffy Duck, Superman and the like. Obviously, I don't know how old or astute your son is but I suggest that you inform yourself with a reasonable portrayal of Christianity before you choose what to feed your precious son. I recommend for anyone who has an aversion to Apostolic Christianity an introductory, perfunctory, version of Christianity that its purveyors call "Biblical". Have a flick through this lot, Leni, and I can give you lots more leads to more in depth analysis if you like.

Martyn Iles: Doctrines and Beliefs Driving Our Culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8J4hEDDErQ

CSLewisDoodle

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw-kYN6wWXWDyp_lB…

G. K. Chesterton

http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc/

Who the hell wants to "create and influence" the World with arcane and occult powers when the whole blardy shebang is already operating with its purpose. Orrite! some megalomaniacs don't like the purpose so they try to usurp it! The Great Reset is as old as the World.

Every time I come to this website I feel like a kitten in a room full of ping-pong balls not knowing which one to go for. You guys have a done a magnificent job sharing all those links and articles helping others by lifting the veil and exposing the fraud of all frauds. I am gonna study all those links and suggested scientific areas and give me pea-brain a bit of a workout. And thankyou Leni for opening your own personal window. There's lots to see.

Probably a safe bet that nobody has watched/listened to ALL of these videos/podcasts yet.

Has anybody started?

In any case, here are some screenshots of a post by Melissa Sell with a scenario explaining the idea (I couldn't find the original post, though I don't use Instagram, so it was difficult):

https://fifthestatepress.com/posts/status-20210908…

This is the response I received from one of the crew members of The Highwire regarding my suggestion of having more interviews with the Terrain experts. I'm satisfied.

Regarding the prayer comment, if you ever have a chance to listen to Gregg Braden's 'The Lost mode of Prayer', it's not really a religious thing at all. But it delves into the ideas surrounding abilities humans have through thought processes; the idea of our thoughts and beliefs both creating and influencing the world we live in.

After hearing his podcast, I kept it in the back of my mind thereafter and was able to relate other situations to it. For example, I heard Denzel Washington at a College Graduation ceremony where he taught the students that you need to be thankful for that which is already yours in order to make it so. People (like me) grow up believing that praying to God means wishing for something you don't have but the alternative way of looking at this which Braden delves into is being thankful for something which you are about to receive.

I still don't believe there's a man in the sky (but am happy to be wrong) but I have my own ideas about God and have been learning along the way whilst teaching my oldest son things from the Jesus Storybook Bible I think it's called.

Thanks for posting this. It is very well written and presents the ideas that you're expressing clearly and eloquently.

It's good also because it give me a chance to engage in some criticism and advance a perspective which is a little different to yours, although I would say it is directly in opposition.

I firmly believe than every adult person who is sincere and willing to put in the time can become sufficiently expert in their own health issues to make decisions. Whether they make the right or wrong decisions is a question which will be answered differently depending on one's beliefs and biases.

The question of whether people should be compelled to follow a certain path because a powerful social class orders them to, is a different matter, which requires deep contemplation, because it spells the difference between personal autonomy and slavery.

The reason usually given for such bullying by powerful interest groups is that they are in possession of "the truth", and if you oppose their ideas then you are "wrong and deluded". It is thus for your own good that they take over your life and push you in the "right" direction. The certainty they are right is compounded by the "greater good" principle, which is that the entire society is impacted by an individual's decisions. For them, it is a moral responsibility to follow their truth, not just for you, but for the entire society in which you function as a small cog in a wheel.

Thinking about what I said above, you can see why adherents of this totalitarian philosophy regard speech which goes against their orthodox truth as dangerous. They believe that unvaccinated people are a threat to society because they can transmit disease, but they also believe that those who spread heretical filth such as anti-vaxxer ideas also pose a threat, possibly even a worse threat, because ideas can be contagious.

So we constantly find ourselves engaged in 2 different battles. One is the battle to communicate our ideas and research about health and have such ideas accepted as valid. The other is the battle to even have the right to say things which go against the orthodox dogma of powerful institutions.

These are different struggles, but they overlap, because, without the right to speak, your ideas will never be heard.

I believe that the crucial struggle now is the one about freedom. It's about the right for us to have different views and to accept that there are different approaches to life's challenges.

My personal perspective on vaccines is that I don't wish to ever take a vaccine, of any kind, ever again. I'm confident in that position. My whole life has demonstrated to me that this is the right path for me.

My personal perspective on contagious disease is that the terrain is more significant than the germ, but I'm not ideologically attached to that position. I'm willing to adapt my view to evidence. So far, in my life I have not come across enough evidence to dissuade me from my position. I do believe there are exceptions, but they are rare. I believe that a healthy lifestye builds a strong immune system, which is your best defense against any contagious pathogen. I do believe that contagious pathogens exist, I just think they are overrated in terms of the overall part they play in illness.

I don't need other people to follow my way of thinking. All I need is for people to accept my autonomy and my choices. For some people, the germ theory may be a better match for their life experience. Good luck to them! We can co-exist!

What I do not accept is coercion from ideological zealots to change my path. I do not accept their deceitful moral grandstanding about how it's my duty to follow their truth and their path. When they do that, they overstep the line, and reveal themselves to be malevolent and power hungry, with an agenda to dominate and make me submit. I will resist such people all the way. I will never back down.

So, this comment is not so much a criticism of your writing which I mostly agreee with, but there is also a warning to be gleaned. Don't become ideological. Accept that people can have a different perspective.

Any position which becomes rigid and ideological can ultimately become the basis for tyranny, even these great alternative models of health.

There is an old Buddhist saying which sums this up: "many paths, one mountain".

Nicely put together Leni!